Potentiometer Implementation

Hi!

I see potentiometers are supported but I’m not sure what I can do with them in ProffieOS.

I’m working on a new saber and I have a knob I want to use, I considered an encoder but the knob is limited and also has numbers in it so, infinite turns would simply not work right in this case, and since there’s no way to know the encoder position after a power cycle, unless absolute encoders are supported?

In any case, I think a potentiometer is the more ideal approach for my case.

  1. Can I change blade colors?

  2. Can I change the brightness?

  3. Can I cycle through the styles

  4. Can I go to unstable and back to stable and anything in between while turning the pot?
    Any of these while the saber is ignited of course.

  5. Can more than one of those actions be assigned at the same time?

One bonus question not related to potentiometers:
Can blade ID be implemented just for crystals and change style according to the crystal that has been inserted?

I’ve seen this but I’m not sure it was on a proffie saber.

Thank you!

There are dual-pot absolute encoders that are supported. No stepped absolute encoders are currently supported.

Yes, there is a ChangeVariantAnalogReceiver that lets you do exactly that.
It’s a little weird though, because it overrides the saved variants.

It would require some additional coding.

This is supported for rotary encoders, but currently not for pots.

You can use the variation to do that, or we could code up something for it.

Currently no, but that could be coded as well of course.

Yes. You can also use RFID for this.

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Could you recommend some of the supported dual pot/absolute encoders?
The smaller the better!

Thank you!

There doesn’t seem to be a lot of options for the dual-pot absolute encoders.
Here is one though:

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Alpha-Taiwan/RV112FF-40-25A-0B10K

Thanks!

That looks like it might work if I shorten the shaft a little bit.

On the RFID implementation, I checked the thread where you talked about it and suggested a board and antenna, I would have to find tags small enough for the way I want to make the crystals.
But assuming I go this route, I see the reader connects to the RX and TX pads.
Is it safe to assume I can enable a second set of RX and TX, I thing we have up to three, right?
I’m planning on using a Bluetooth module and I want to make sure that’s ok.

Also, another question I have: Where are you on color screens?
I know you were considering implementing them and if so I’d like to add one to my project assuming the screen is small enough to embed it in the chassis, like one of these:

It’s ok if it’s not ready yet as I’m just in the design phase, I even would not mind installing it and waiting for it to be ready down the road, assuming it will be implemented, that is.

If you have a V3 board, there are three serial ports available, so we should be able to make that work. We may need minor code changes, but I can help with that if needed.

I have most of the code written, but it doesn’t work properly yet.
Also, there is probably a fair amount of work in making it show the right thing at the right time.
(Not to mention actually making animations for it, which will be interesting…)
Finally, color displays tends to take up a fair number of pins on the board. Not sure if BT, RFID and color display is going to be possible at the same time…

I do have a V3 PB.

I would not mind installing it and wait for things to be developed or even serve as tester, that’s part of the fun!

What about RFID and color screen?
Hopefully that’s possible?
I’d be more than willing to sacrifice BT for a color screen.

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tl;dr; yes, it is possible

Well let’s see…
The SPI display currently requires the following pins:

  • Data2 (MISO)
  • Data3 (MOSI)
  • Data4 (CS)
  • Free1 (SCK)
  • Free2 (LIGHT)
  • Free3 (DC)
  • … and we may also need a pin for RESET

This is likely to improved…

  1. MISO isn’t really required, because the display doesn’t return any data. However, I currently don’t have an API for setting up SPI without MISO.
  2. CS might not be needed, it should be possible to just ground the pin instead.

So, none of these pins are RX/TX, so that means we have one serial port unused at least.

The other two serial ports are Data2/Data3 and Free2/Free3. We need Data3 to be MOSI, so we can’t use the first one. Free2/Free3 can probably be used though. It would be kind of nice to have a PWM-capable pad for the Light pin, but I don’t know if I’m ever really going to use that. A regular on/off pin is probably enough.

It’s also possible to use SPI2 instead of SPI1, which would mean that Button3 becomes MOSI, and then Data2/Data3.

Come to think of it, RFID only requires an RX pin (no TX pin) so we could still use Free3 as the LIGHT control pin.

So, it looks like it’s possible to have all three features after all!

The challenge now would be to be able to fit all the hardware inside the chassis :joy:

Any of those LCDs I linked before I now they fit, assuming I modify those ugly boards they come with it simply make my own, which it my be the best route.

Bluetooth I love to have it, it’s cool when I use it, but who am I kidding? I rarely make use of it because of the short range, specially inside a metal hilt.

RFID I’ve never used before, but seeing the antenna gave me an idea for a cool crystal chamber design, assuming I can use place it the way I have in mind.

Other than those features I only use two buttons, two LED pads for the blade, one for the accent lights/crystal chamber and one for vibration motors.

Vibration motors are one of my favorite features actually, after using them I feel weird igniting a saber without them because it feels numb and disconnected, like when you drive a sports car and have all the little road details coming through the steering wheel, and then you go back to driving a normal every day car :joy:

Oh, this flash gun I’m working with has a camera detection system embedded in the bracket that uses one wire for positive going to an isolated stainless steel pin/button and the body of the flash as negative, I was thinking about driving a normal led with that, so I could slide in and out boards with different LED colors without having to deal with connecting and disconnecting wires, so I guess that’s another LED pad.

Also forgot to mention the dual pot we mentioned before, that one is quite important, as it’s a feature of the flashgun I want to retain, and make it functional, otherwise there would be no reason to be there.

The dual pot will require two analog capable pads. On a V3 board, these pads are analog-capable:

  • Data1
  • Data4
  • Free3
  • Button1
  • RX
  • TX

Probably Button1 & Data4 has the least impact on other functionality.
(The display CS can be moved to any GPIO pin.)

Copy that!

I found this LCD, perfect form factor for my build.

Is this one ok?

https://www.mouser.com/new/dfrobot/dfrobot-tft-display/

Edit:

Also found this one but I’d have to see if I can make it fit!

So, each display will need a support class.
In most cases, the adafruit library will have all the information needed to generate that support class, but it will mean that I need to add support for each individual display to make them work.

Both of these looks like the could work, but I don’t know which would be better.
The dfrobot one seems like it might be a better size for sabers though.

I’m ordering two of the dfrobot ones… :slight_smile:

Agreed!

I found the 3D CAD model for the larger one and tested it with the 3D model I’m making for my lightsaber and it takes too much space, so I also ordered two of the dfrobot ones, they seem perfect!

Hopefully they will work!

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I got the screen yesterday, it has the perfect size in my opinion.

The pot on the other hand is too big.
I guess I’ll consider removing the stop on the knob and use and encoder instead if that opens my options to something smaller.

I think there are other pots that work the same way.
(Some of them might be smaller.)

How did you look for that one?
Any keywords that could help?

I’ve been searching but I can’t seem to find one that has a graph like the one shown in the data sheet of the pot you recommended above.

I found it because of an old hackaday article.
Not really sure how to find others like it. (Or even if they exist.)

I see!
Yes, it’s been hard for me to find one that behaves like that one.
Maybe I should ask people at Mouser, they might know.
If not, I guess I can remove the knob stop and go with an encoder.

Though what about a normal linear potentiometer?
Is it not enough to do what we previously mentioned?